Sniper
3:39 Fri Apr 7
Re: Exclusive: West Ham make contingency plans to replace Slaven Bilic if club lose to Swansea
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I'm with you p, I totally get why we signed both snodgrass and fonte
And I think their respective failings are down to poor management. Snodgrass looked good in his first few games.
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Steven P
3:36 Fri Apr 7
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Stewie - the majority of that could be said about the players we lost in the Roeder years.
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Steven P
3:34 Fri Apr 7
Re: Exclusive: West Ham make contingency plans to replace Slaven Bilic if club lose to Swansea
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To v
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Steven P
3:33 Fri Apr 7
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Is that some kind of snide dig? I just said I can understand why they went for the player - so what I actually said was correct.
You are a very strange man.
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stewie griffin
3:32 Fri Apr 7
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the alternative view is that he has been relegated before, has never operated above a level at the bottom end of the premier league/top end of the championship, was only ever going to decline in value, and the fact that the only other clubs interested in him were Burnley & Middlesbrough should also be a pointer.
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Alex V
3:29 Fri Apr 7
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Steven P 3:25 Fri Apr 7
And most WHU fans seemed to agree with you at the time. Fonte was mostly well-received too.
It's okay to be wrong.
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Terrywait
3:28 Fri Apr 7
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Infidel 3:02 Fri Apr 7
Amazing how much you've got wrong there. Cant be bothered to pick it apart, but largely drivel.
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Alex V
3:27 Fri Apr 7
Re: Exclusive: West Ham make contingency plans to replace Slaven Bilic if club lose to Swansea
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Infidel 3:22 Fri Apr 7
Tore is a very very weird one, I must admit. He'd barely played for six months before he joined us. If Bilic was directly handling the deals you'd think a brown envelope was involved. Maybe it still was.
The thing is, I think whoever manages us there's still a benefit for looking for free transfers or loans that might come off for us. That's where Lanzini, our best player, came from. There is a benefit to that - we can't dismiss that approach.
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Steven P
3:25 Fri Apr 7
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I don't really get the Snodgrass argument. He was playing well, in the premiership and similar, if not better stats to Payet. He was a proven premiership player.
I can see totally why they got him.
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Infidel
3:22 Fri Apr 7
Re: Exclusive: West Ham make contingency plans to replace Slaven Bilic if club lose to Swansea
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Don't disagree with any of that Alex.
Except that Tore, Nordveidt, Calleri and Feghouli aren't even at the dizzy heights of 'squad filler' level.
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Alex V
3:16 Fri Apr 7
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>>> What did he see in players like Gokhan Tore, Nordveidt, Feghouli and Calleri
Squad fillers. We might not have signed these if we hadn't been in Europe. What did he see in Jelavic, Hendrie, Emenike last season? The reality is that many clubs fill out their squads with inexpensive players - if one succeeds like Lanzini did it's a big plus. It's not really an argument against Bilic imo.
Ayew, Snodgrass, Fonte - real commitments to expensive players. These are the signings that reflect terribly on Bilic.
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Mart O
3:16 Fri Apr 7
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Maybe I'm missing something but that article strikes me as a bag of shite.
The headline mentions contingency plans, while the article mentions none at all, other than Westley for the rest of the season, of which I think we all know there is small chance. Or Wagner in the summer, which doesn't strike me as much of a contingency plan.
The only thing interesting in the whole reheated piece is this: ''The club would not be subject to onerous compensation payments were they to sack Bilic after the weekend, and it is understood they would not be obliged to pay anything at all were they to dismiss the 48-year-old in the summer with a year of his contract left.''
This isn't news either, but it does sum up our approach to just about everything.
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Infidel
3:02 Fri Apr 7
Re: Exclusive: West Ham make contingency plans to replace Slaven Bilic if club lose to Swansea
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The key question is how much of our current woeful state is the fault of Bilic- as opposed to factors beyond his control, like injuries, refereeing decisions etc
There is no question that we have been very unlucky (again) with injuries to key players but for me Bilic has made things a great deal worse. There are two major ssues:
First he has signed too many journeymen players - and one or two who don't even make that miserably low statement of competence.
What did he see in players like Gokhan Tore, Nordveidt, Feghouli and Calleri that made him think these were premier league quality players? These players have all been given a chance to prove themselves and have come up woefully short.
That would be acceptable if alongside the duds he had found a couple of diamonds, but he hasn't. The winter signing of Snodgrass was another mistake. A sweet left foot but no pace and no guile- he's just added to the problems we have of being a yard off the pace in midfield.
The signings are his reponsibility - and he has to accept that he has brought in a crop of players who have made us worse, not better.
The second issue is team selection and tactics. I said in my match report from White Hart lane that Bilic had cost us the game. When he brought off Payet and replaced him with Nordveidt he threw the initiative Tottenham's way and turned what would have been a massive 2-1 victory into a humiliating 3-2 defeat.
The writing was already on the wall back then, and he has learned nothing since.. His persistence with clearly inadequate players, despite seeing them struggle week after week, shows he doesn't have the judgement to make good team selections.
Tore was absolutely dreadful yet played week in week out before finally disappearing off the radar completely.
Feghouli is afraid of physical challenges and can only control a ball if he's in space. In the physical world of English football that's about as useful as a chocolate teapot.
I could put together a 2 hour montage of Feghouli's cowardice on the field but what's the point? Bilic doesn't want to see it. He wants to believe that Feghouli will learn how to make a tackle, despite all the evidence to the contrary. Feghouli is spineless, an embarrassment to our club.
Bilic also has to take responsibility for trying to turn our best attacking player into a wing back. He finally gave up but it took half the season to get there. Who knows how many points that cost us.
I like Bilic. He's a decent and honest man. But he is not a very good football manager and I'm sorry to say we are where we are because of him.
I don't think we will go down but I think he has to go.
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LeroysBoots
3:00 Fri Apr 7
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Nobody has spoken about a draw
This game has 0-0 written all over it
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Russ of the BML
2:56 Fri Apr 7
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Alex V 2:40 Fri Apr 7
I don't have your optimism. Hull and Palace have momentum. Swansea like us are sinking. But, Swansea will be buoyed by the fact that they came within 3 minutes of beating Spurs... Even though they were hanging on.
So, without sounding like a dram queen, I would say out of those four we are in the most critical position as we simply have no momentum and nothing to revert to for positivity.
Clement will be telling to play exactly how they did against Spurs knowing that we are much more toothless than Spurs so are unlikely to score. He will be telling them to get the ball into the box as much as they can. And that we are woeful at set plays so Sigurdson curling them in at goal will cause all sorts of panic.
For us, I really don't know what Bilic can say.
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Alex V
2:40 Fri Apr 7
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El Scorchio 2:22 Fri Apr 7
I don't disagree. But put into perspective with the other seasons I've just mentioned, it is not as stark a situation.
As you say a win pretty much ends the problem. I would say a draw is actually not a bad result either. But even after a loss we will still not be that likely to be relegated - I would guess our odds would go 6-7/1 if we lose, ie still only a 15% chance of relegation. It does seem counter-intuitive given our string of defeats, but it's the reality - we count our lucky stars for having points already on the board, that's for sure!
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Sven Roeder
2:39 Fri Apr 7
Re: Exclusive: West Ham make contingency plans to replace Slaven Bilic if club lose to Swansea
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What was behind the comment Bilic made about egos and who was taking corners and scoring goals?
Whatever it was it gives the impression of a divided camp and no one pulling the players together. And giving a few a much needed cunting in the bastard.
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Sven Roeder
2:36 Fri Apr 7
Re: Exclusive: West Ham make contingency plans to replace Slaven Bilic if club lose to Swansea
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Saying he will stay no matter what tells you a lot about the standard of the other coaching staff plus Westley who would normally be expected to step in as caretaker
Like Shakespeare has at Leicester
Let's just bloody win tomorrow
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hollocks
2:35 Fri Apr 7
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If they replace him with Terry Westley then you might as well give up now. I believe we will win the next two games. 39 points will do it
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cornish
2:27 Fri Apr 7
Re: Exclusive: West Ham make contingency plans to replace Slaven Bilic if club lose to Swansea
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Me the moron,it's not all Slavs fault ,the players need to have a long good look at themselves,last year we were great so what's changed,the players are playing Mr big bollocks me thinks.
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El Scorchio
2:22 Fri Apr 7
Re: Exclusive: West Ham make contingency plans to replace Slaven Bilic if club lose to Swansea
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Alex V 1:41
The teams that matter are all catching us.
We were nine above 18th a couple of weeks ago. If results at the weekend go against us, we will be TWO points above 18th and on a terrible run of form having lost to teams around us.
Forget Sunderland and Boro. They are gone. Swansea Hull and Palace are all well capable of getting 3-4 more points than us over the next 7-8 games.
We're actually in a pretty awful situation if we don't beat Swansea, with Liverpool, Spurs and Everton our only remaining home fixtures. If we win, a lot of the pain goes away though.
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